“Misha and Bob Singer, who was directing that episode, we were crying-laughing at how ridiculous it was that I had his jacket nicely folded in the trunk of that car…and not even the Impala, but a stolen car. There was no reason for the jacket to be in the trunk of that car…” Jensen Ackles at Jibcon

Can I just talk about this? I feel like I need to talk about this so I can get it out of my brain and focus on more productive things. Anyway, so I’m going to talk about this.

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onthesideofangels:

I wanted to write a reaction post for this episode yesterday, but I was genuinely at a loss after my first viewing. I have re-watched it three times since Friday night. I haven’t re-watched an episode of Supernatural like this in a very long time.

But I think rewatching…

dirtyovercoats:

crazy long feelings about castiel, and dean and castiel, and everything else after the cut

(just keep in mind, with every end there is a start)

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I missed this so much. Cas adds so much depth to the show. The writers don’t even seem to realize just how vital he is to Dean’s character.

caffeineandcleavage:

spn spoilers reaction to the preview etc etc

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Because Sam’s perfect and phenomenal and the Jesus Christ of SPN (literally.) To be perfectly honest, I hate Sam as a character. As a person, I’d take him over any of the other people on SPN, but I find Dean arguably more interesting. So I’m probably pretty biased. But the why I see it, the show tends to favour Sam.

Sam was the only one who had acknowledged struggles in the first two seasons and the show only paid attention to his emotions in the third. In the fourth and fifth we got more form Dean, but then it’s like the show somehow needed to top it and give Sam a bigger struggle (addiction to Demon blood and vessel for Lucifer.) Then Sam was back and soulless and the show still focused mostly on him and here we are at season 7 where Sam’s story is still given more credence and he’s placed on an evern higher pedestal than before as this amazing guy who, faced with unsurmountable struggles, is barely even fazed. I mean, he even spent more time in hell than Dean (which seemed like the primary focus of that story line anyway because godforbid Dean have his own huge emotional struggle. And, also, godforbid he deal with it better than Sam even though Sam had it worse.)

I’m not saying it’s necessarily a bad thing, but from what I can see, the show likes to focus on Sam and make him the primary hero. So he’d naturally have to deal with Lucifer better than Cas. Also, if Sam was legitimately and realistically struggling with his problem, then Dean would have to actually own up and help him and the show doesn’t seem to want that. I think the writers want to knock Dean as far as they can while elevating Sam, so that’s why the story is the way it is right now.

That being said, I really don’t mean to offend anyone. I understand the appeal of Sam. The way I see it, he’s the Harry Potter of Supernatural, so I can totally see why people love him because he really is the the primary (or only) hero of the show. Unfortunately, that’s why I don’t like him. So maybe this post seems biased/whiny, but it’s not meant to rip on Sam, just express my opinion of the show’s attitude towards him.

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themostfeminist:

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wand3rlust:

I’m seriously confused about this trenchcoat thing. Guy Bee was the one who said it was Jensen’s idea to keep in in the first place. Now suddenly it’s ‘awkward’ that Dean kept it in the trunk? And that it symbolized…

taliawinters:

themostfeminist:

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themostfeminist:

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taliawinters:

themostfeminist:

taliawinters replied to your post: I was listening to sad Destiel songs on the way…

(Nicky is currently glad…

Just jumping in on this (hope you don’t mind.) I think it’s sort of interesting that with SPN and Sherlock, both shows that suffer from white cis male superiority, the bulk of the fandom spends a good majority of time slashing these characters. Considering the vast criticisms of these shows, I think it’s fascinating that people’s response is to place the main characters in gay relationships. That says a lot about what the fandom wants and expects from these shows. The weird thing is that Moffat and the SPN writers seem outrageously aware of this and play it up with frequent gay jokes. That, to me, seems like the most homophobic reaction, frankly. It’s telling that, where fans see potential between Sherlock/John and Castiel/Dean, the writers see a big joke. Dean/Sam - I get why that was funny (no disrespect to the shippers at all.) But why it’s a running gag to hint at potential gayness with Sherlock/John and Castiel/Dean escapes me. Admittedly, the Sherlock/John stuff kind of pisses me off more. Mostly because there are only three episodes a season and to spend that time making gay jokes with no follow through seems pointless and weird. Unless Moffat actually plans on hooking them up, in which case it could probably make a great political statement.

As far as Irene’s concerned - I kind of had a different interpretation of her. Honestly, I loved that she was a lesbian dominatrix (unlike the bulk of the fandom) and I wasn’t at all convinced that she was in love with Sherlock. Although, it should be noted that her story directly foils John’s. And given their conversation in the warehouse (“I’m not gay” [John] “Well I am” [Irene]) it would heavily imply that if Irene’s in love with Sherlock, then so is John. But I have my doubts that Irene is in love with Sherlock.

The thing is, Sherlock has horrible social skills. He makes observations and draws logical conclusions, but I didn’t really see him doing that with Irene. Irene seemed to throw him off and a lot of the leaps he made in logic seemed more hasty/sloppy than his other observations. Irene riled him up. And I like to think that was the point.

Also, I think it’s weird that Sherlock was blind to the fact that his assistant is in love with him for two seasons and yet he makes the leap with Irene within that one episode. Why? Because her heart sped up when he touched her and her pupils dilated a bit. I think Sherlock was looking for an explanation because he doesn’t understand his relationship with Irene. Do I have another explanation for her physiological reaction? No. But that doesn’t mean I have to accept the one offered by Sherlock and I’m really not going to. Still, that amounts to a personal choice and discounts the set up of the narrative which I really could see as being sexist. I just like to think it really wasn’t and there’s another explanation.

I really hope that there’s a third season and it explore Irene more instead of settling with what we’ve been given. Hopefully her story arc hasn’t ended and Sherlock saving her was an expository device to keep the two connected. I’m guessing it was a set up for a later story arc involving Irene, but I could be wrong.

As far as SPN’s concerned - I agree with all your points. Everything. Sadly, I’m finding that I currently hate the show more than I love it so I’ve kind of quit watching. I really want to want to wach it, but I just can’t bring myself to. I’m not sure how I feel about that.

So I’ve been thinking and I’ve come to a realization. A lot this season I’ve been talking about how Dean and Sam have switched roles and Dean’s now the younger brother and I realized why that is: Dean is now literally the younger brother. No, bear with me.

Dean spent 40 years in hell. He was thirty when he went which means now he’s in his 70’s (73 by my calculations.) Physically he’s still in his 30’s, but his soul is 73. Let’s say a month in hell is the equivalent of 10 years (since Dean spent 4 months which equates 40 years in hell.) If I remember correctly, Sam was in there for six months which amounts to sixty years. This means that Sam’s soul is now 89 years old. Sam is effectively older than Dean. By 16 years.

This idea excites me for reasons I can’t quite express at the moment. I’m definitely viewing the series in this context from now on.

EDIT: I just remembered Dean and Sam talking about how Sam had been out of hell for a year (though he spent it soulless) in season six. Which means his soul actuallly spent a year in hell. That’s twelve months. Or, in terms of hell, 120 years. Which means that Sam is, like 149. I don’t know why, but that’s kind of awesome. And gross. I bet his soul’s all wrinkly.

I love wincest. Would I want SPN to be about the big gay relationship of Sam and Dean? No. I have fanfics for that. I love Supernatural as it is, and I’d never change it. And I wouldn’t go around the internet advertising it as something that it’s not to try and validate my ship.

Honestly “big gay relationship” and “I have fanfics for that” are the things about this post that stick in my mind the most. “Big gay relationship” because it sounds mocking and “I have fanfics for that” because it pisses me off.

The big gay relationship - Believe it or not, this is far from the first time I’ve seen this phrase written. And it strikes me that there’s always an exaggeration. “The big gay relationship” isn’t how you’d describe two people in love, it’s how you’d describe the monster hiding in your closet. (lol, get it? What? I’m not allowed to think that’s funny?) If it had been a straight couple, it would have said “the relationship between…” But this says “the big gay relationship of Sam and Dean.”

Not between, but of.

I know I’m overanalyzing this person innappropriately and nitpicking words, but why “of Sam and Dean?” Why not “between Sam and Dean?” I feel like it’s important, and I couldn’t say specifically why, but it feels like it’s distancing. By phrasing it the way it was phrased, it seems like it’s less about what actually goes on between Sam and Dean and their actual feelings than it is about the relationship. It says, to me, the “Big gay relationship consisting of Sam and Dean” instead of “The relationship between Sam and Dean.” It’s not about Sam and Dean and their feelings. It’s about the gay relationship and they just happen to be a part of it. That’s not my issue with this post, though. Or my issue with this quote. Just something I noticed and had to think about. But my issues with this post and this quote have more to do with it’s attitude towards homosexuality.

First off, it exaggerates homosexuality (Big Gay) and demeans it. By passing off homosexuality as this gigantic, overbearing presence while simulteneously relegating it to the world of fanfiction, this post creates the illusion that homosexuality is unnatural and/or best kept in a safe little box away from the real world.

Secondly, fanfiction is characterized as a satisfactory substitute for homosexual relationships on TV. You want to know why I write/read slash fanfics – because I’m not going to get a good, gay, sexualized relationship on TV. When I do (rarely) get gay relationships, they’re either de-sexualized, de-romanticized, unhealthy, or swept so under the rug that they might as well not be there to begin with. Hard as it may be to comprehend, I want to see gay relationships flourish on TV. If I have to constantly be watching opposite sex couples making-out/having-sex then I should also be allowed to see same sex couples do it. Especially when I see two characters who have so much chemistry and romantic tension be kept apart simply based on the fact that they have the same reproductory organs. It’s stupid and unfair. I write fanfiction because I’m not getting anything else, not because I don’t need anything else. I settle for fanfiction, but if I could, for a second, have SPN be about the “big gay relationship” between Sam and Dean or Dean and Cas, I would.

Why do gay relationships have to be such a big deal? I honestly, for the life of me, can’t figure out the problem. I can’t understand why ‘big’ needed to be added to to ‘gay relationship’ or why ‘gay’ needed to be added to ‘relationship’ or why voting for Dean and Cas as TV’s Top Couple is such a big deal, but I find it confounding, irritating, and heartbreaking.

Thirdly, this post essentially says that anyone who’s seeking validation for their ship or actively encourages their ship is delusional and disrespectful to the show. But that’s the whole point of shipping. It’s to notice two characters (or more) who go well together and to encourage them to go well together…preferably while making out. It’s to say “Hey, I like them. Hey, they have good chemistry. Hey, the show seems like they might actually realize this.” Why’s that a problem? Evidently it’s not, as long as you keep your thoughts to yourself, write fanfiction, and not ever tell anybody else that you think your characters go well and why.

And in the end, guys, regardless of any of the points I’ve made or any of the points the OP made, I really don’t give a shit. I have an oppurtunity to vote for Dean/Cas on a Top Couples contest and I’m bleeding taking it. Because, frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck how Jensen Ackles feels or how Misha Collins feels or how “disrespectful” it is to a show that I’ve dedicated six/seven years of my life to and to whose characters I’ve become so invested in that I actually get so involved so as to hope they can be together and be happy. Because if people are really telling me that I shouldn’t vote for two characters I think have pheonomenal chemistry because it might hurt the actors feelings/make them uncomfortable or because me showing my adoration for two characters is disrespectful to the show (which, if anything, it’s the opposite) then I think maybe I’m not the one who’s taking the whole thing too seriously.

Also, why are so many people so concerned about the show’s feelings? Or the actors feelings? Not to sound like a total scumbag because I genuinely think the actors are good people, but I don’t care if my desire for Cas and Dean to get together makes Jensen Ackles and Misha Collins feel weird. Because guess what, I’m not shipping Cockles here. I realize they play the characters and good on them, but I don’t ship Destiel because of the actors and they’re hardly due credit (at least not full credit) for it. I ship Destiel because of the characters and the story. Part of that’s acting, part of that’s writing, part of that’s directing, part of that’s music, part of that’s editing, part of that’s chemistry (which, not to sound petty or whatever negative emotion might be ascribed to my following statement, is usually beyond the control of the actors,) and part of that’s the work of whatever invisible force I can’t name makes those tiny, unseeable pheremones of love fill up the screen whenever Cas and Dean look at each other.

But, seriously guys, back to my first question: Why are so many people so concerned about the show’s feelings? Let’s pretend, for a second, that voting for Cas and Dean is actually somehow disrespectful to the show – what’s it going to do? Pout? Lock itself in the bathroom and cry? Or maybe it’ll leave us and find new fans.

I’m sorry if this post is so scattered – I’m pretty tired. And rambly. Basically – love the pairing you love, vote for it when you get the chance, show homosexuality on tv, and free love for everyone.

cornelia-spn:

I am frankly bothered by the fact that Dean & Castiel might win that poll about best TV couple of 2012. For the simple fact that they are not a couple.

Had it been a poll about ‘best ship’ or ‘favourite ship of the internet’ or whatever, of course. I’d love for a Spn ship to win, even if it’s…

aryaesque:

#I’M GETTING PISSED OFF BECAUSE I’M SEEING MORE AND MORE ‘DEAN IS A DICK’ POSTS #I’M BIASED AND EMOTIONAL AND PLEASE JUST STEP OFF MY BABY

… honey, I’m sorry. 

I’m not saying Dean is a dick. He’s not. I love him to death, and I will love him forever. He’s a hero, and amazingly good at his job, smart and capable and a good person. 

Dean being a hero and amazing and wonderful doesn’t stop him from having flaws, though. And one of his flaws, in my opinion, is that when he doesn’t know how to deal with something, has no leads and sees no hope, he shuts down and tries not to give a fuck. That’s only human, and it doesn’t make him any less of a good man. 

And now it’s getting personal, but I can’t deal with that flaw. I wish I could, but I can’t.

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fruityrudys:

This is a little bit hard for me to explain

but I think that Sam and Dean are soulmates

I mean really, they are

heterosexual brother soulmates

and then Castiel came along and I think his Grace is really attracted to Dean and I think Dean’s soul is really attracted to Castiel

so now Dean…